Date: January 25, 2012


But what if he was . . . ?

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Go ahead and tap your red heels three times, Dorothy, and morph back to Kansas. But it wouldn't be the home of Auntie Em. In fact it might be worse than the nightmare you just left.

In the Limon v. Kansas case profile of the ACLU in October of 2005, the following overview was written and displayed on ACLU's Web site:

"In February of 2000, Limon and another male teenager were both students at the same residential school for developmentally disabled youth in Miami County, Kansas. A week after Limon's 18th birthday, he performed consensual oral sex on the other teenager, who was nearly 15 years old - three years, one month and a few days younger.

Because Kansas's so-called "Romeo and Juliet" law gives much lighter sentences to heterosexual teenagers who have sex with younger teens but specifically excludes gay teenagers, Limon was sentenced to 17 years in prison. A heterosexual teenager with the same record would serve no longer than 15 months for the same offense." - The ACLU

The Kansas Attorney General on this case, which was brought by the ACLU to the U.S. Supreme Court, believed the case was a state issue, not a federal one. The Traditional Values Coalition (TVC) had also picked up on this story in 2003, nine years later taken down from its server. However, the article had been recorded at the time by the Free Republic. The TVC article read:

"Kansas Attorney General Phill Kline says the fairness of Limon's sentence should be a state legislative issue, not a constitutional one. According to Kline, 'If the ACLU wins in the thrust of their arguments, it means the state has no right to say that it is illegal for an adult to have sex with a 13-year-old child.' Kline also fears that an ACLU victory will make it difficult for the state to enforce laws against polygamy, incest, bestiality, and other sexual perversions." - Free Republic

However the Supreme Court ruled in favor of the ACLU against Kline, the sentence given to Limon dismissed. Kline's concern was added to the TVC article, which read as follows concerning the agenda of male adult sex with little boys:

"Thorstad and Professor Mohr want sexual liberation for children and Mirken believes that AIDS activism is what will help perpetuate and strengthen the homosexual movement.

'We need to reaffirm our place in the great variety of same-sex behaviors that exist-have always existed-in human societies. We dare not allow our homosexual gift to be alienated from us by the limited vision, stifling political correctness, and erotophobic provincialism.'

. . . Author Mary Eberstadt wrote in "Pedophilia Chic: Reconsidered" in The Weekly Standard, (Jan. 1, 2001): "The reason why the public is being urged to reconsider boy pedophilia is that this 'question,' settled though it may be in the opinions and laws of the rest of the country, is demonstrably not yet settled within certain parts of the gay rights movement."

Eberstadt notes that as the homosexual movement becomes more mainstream, this "question" about adult/child sex will become more prominent." The TVC continues, "Homosexuals who desire sex with children will do exactly what the ACLU is doing in Kansas: Destroy all laws banning sex between adults and children."


For those of you who don't know about the Traditional Values Coalition, it was the only organization that assisted Barbara Curley in her lawsuit against NAMBLA, the North American Man / Boy Love Association, for its help to provide online material to members on how to capture little boys for sex. Barbara's ten-year old son, Jeffrey Curley was murdered by two homosexuals that had promised the small boy a bike, which the mother wanted him to earn on his own.

The TVC backed Mrs. Curley even after FOX News, the only news agency reporting on her efforts, had also abandoned the story. The TVC stayed with the mother until at least 2008, eight years after filing the suit. And during the lawsuit who do you think had come to NAMBLA's defense, saying NAMBLA's online material was a function of free speech. The ACLU, of course.

In 2008 the Curley family had to finally drop their lawsuit against NAMBLA with one witness left to testify a decade later, the judge then saying that witness was not competent. It was finally over. Their son would have been twenty-one years old.


But Kansas was also a hotbed for abortion rights, too.

"To that end state attorney general, Phill Kline, received national attention for his investigation of abortion clinics, especially the probe that led to allegations against Planned Parenthood of Kansas City and late-term abortionist George Tiller," as reported by OneNewsNow.

Kline had wanted abortion records from Tiller, believing that Tiller had performed many abortions on women under eighteen years of age. Kline did not violate any privacy issues, required by the Kansas Supreme Court to remove all information about the young women in these abortions, Kline had reason to believe that Tiller was breaking state law in not reporting rapes.

However, it was anything but smooth sailing, Kline despised by the Kansas Governor, Kathleen Sebelius. Liberty Counsel reported about Sebelius:

"In 2003 Sebelius vetoed legislation designed to regulate the health and safety of abortion clinics, including Tiller’s. The filthy abortion clinics continued to operate until 2005, when the Kansas State Board of Healing Arts revoked the medical license of Krishna Rajanna, a Kansas City abortionist who ran a rat-infested abortion mill. 

Sebelius was vehemently opposed to then-Attorney General Phill Kline and handpicked Paul Morrison to run against him. Morrison promised to cease investigations into the abortion clinics and received soft campaign contributions from Tiller. Morrison had to later resign, when a sex and abortion corruption scandal became public. Morrison was having a sexual affair with an employee in the Johnson County DA’s office, where Kline began working after he left the Attorney General’s office. Morrison was trying to get the employee to impede the county’s investigation into abortion clinic practices.

In 2007, Planned Parenthood threw a birthday party for Sebelius, during which the CEO, Peter Brownlee, led a conga-like dance in her honor. Brownlee’s abortion clinic was later charged with 107 counts of illegal late-term abortions. Sebelius appointed militant abortion clinic “escort” John Carmichael, who worked with Tiller’s PAC, ProKanDo, to the Human Rights Commission. Ten months later he had to withdraw his name. Sebelius also appointed Howard Ellis to the State Board of Healing Arts after he had surrendered his license in Missouri rather than face disciplinary action. Two months later he resigned, after he was charged by the Board with attempting to persuade a physician to falsify medical records."

But Kathleen Sebelius was also active in taking tens-of-thousands of dollars from Tiller, as reported by the late Robert Novak:

"There is substantial evidence she has been involved in laundering abortion industry money for distribution to Kansas Democrats. Kansas is the fiercest state battleground for abortion wars, making Kathleen Sebelius the national pro-choice poster girl."

Novak continued, at the time he must have had a smile on his face about the strange bedfellows in the story:

"The Almanac of American Politics talks of a "moderate image" for Sebelius, daughter of former Ohio Gov. John Gilligan. She picked up substantial Republican support in an easy 2002 win for governor and, after naming a former Republican state chairman as her running mate, was re-elected in a 2006 landslide.

Chosen this year to deliver the Democratic response to President Bush's State of the Union Address, she told the nation, "In this time normally reserved for the partisan response, I hope to offer you something more: an American response." She gave the impression of reaching out across party lines in what was widely regarded as an audition for vice president as a Democrat able to carry a heavily Republican state.

Behind that facade, Sebelius sits at the apex of a complicated Kansas financing system involving the famous abortion provider Dr. George Tiller of Wichita. She controls Bluestem Fund PAC, distributing money to Kansas Democratic candidates. Tiller, one of the few American doctors still performing late-term abortions, contributed $120,000 to the Democratic Governors Association in 2006, which has given $200,000 to Bluestem."

Sebelius was able to take Kline's investigation of Tiller and instead retitle it a privacy issue, making it a talking point when running a Democrat against Kline in the next election. Democrat talking point would include that Kline basically wanted to know the personal life of every woman in Kansas. And the libs of Kansas bought it with the Democrats winning. Kline was removed from office, allowing Tiller, the also called Tiller the baby killer, to go back to the business of exterminating babies in Aunt Em's Kansas.

Tiller was later murdered as he sat in a church, given the title posthumous of the Progressive God of Abortion by the New York Times, blaming O'Reilly of FOX News for the murder with one of his books found in the killer's home.

The New York Times would later also blame the Tea Party for the murder of an Arizona Congresswoman, when the killing had been only two hours old and no one had any idea who the shooter was. Later it was discovered the killer already had the Congresswoman in his target from a meeting two years previous to the murder, the liberal sheriff knowing about the shooter before he had committed the murder but didn't arrest him. So these stories are just an example of the crazy times we live in today under progressive media rule.

Concerned Women of America had also reported on Sebelius:

"As recently as 2008, she vetoed a bill that would have strengthened the state’s ban on late-term abortions by allowing private lawsuits against providers.  She also vetoed a bill imposing sanitation requirements on abortion clinics and one that would require specific medical reasons for late-term abortions. These actions provide a far better indication of her views on sanctity of life issues than an incidental abortion decline that happened to occur during her time in office."

 Roman Catholic who supports abortion rights, Sebelius' nomination prompted angry reactions from anti-abortion groups outraged by her ties to Dr. George Tiller, a late-term abortion provider in Wichita, Kan. Groups including Operation Rescue and Concerned Women for America vowed to mobilize against her nomination. The American Life League said it was rolling out a "STOP Sebelius" petition and asking other anti-abortion groups to join. ( Photo source:

It was Sebelius who took $120,000 from one of the top abortionists in America, vetoed a bill to increase sanitation in abortion clinics, and then continued to allow late-term abortions. These types of abortions are where the unborn baby's brains are sucked out while the rest of the body is still in the mother's birth canal. This is so the child can't be born and avoids the atrocity that is about to happen with bucks going to Planned Parenthood. If the child could make it out of his or her mother, it would become a person and the abortionist a murderer.

So who would want someone in government making decisions like Sebelius? Barack Obama, of course, and not just in government but head of Obamacare, running it under America's huge bureaucracy, Heath and Human Services.

Progressives really like liberals such as Sebelius. She takes what used to be traditionally right and wrong and causes one to question the judgment passed to them by their parents and the previous society where they grow up.

In an environment where morals are turned upside down, the hero becomes the anti-hero, and young boys are subject to sexual advances when those advances are considered to be gay, the judgment of professionals in an environment such as a higher education system can become rather fuzzy.

Add the pressure of a progressive gotcha media, a school administration that wants all its employees to march in step whistling a liberal tune, all mixed in with an extreme gay activist organization that runs the campus culture, and you can have employees abandon their values in that politically correct world.

The scenario could include a seasoned professional who had lived in the system, watching it change over a forty-year period, donating over four-million dollars to the university he had loved. That seasoned college professional happens to also be one of the greatest college football coaches in American history, Joe Paterno, who died yesterday after living in this upside down world we call today's America.

But what if it wasn't lung cancer that finally dropped this giant to his knees? What if it really was political correctness that took down Paterno in the end when he could have lasted a little longer, living as the hero he had always been?

To that end let's go back to the question at the very top of the page above the headline that is titled, But what if he was . . . ?

It is meant for one person, Paterno's friend Jerry Sandusky and Sandusky's behavior with a male child. The question is filled in when you ask, But what if he was gay? What then would have been the outcry from the media?

Maybe Paterno never asked if Sandusky was gay, thinking it was not his business, knowing if Sandusky was gay the encounters in the shower would not be so simple to handle. And Paterno could have been labeled a homophobe in the process by advocating gays.

So Paterno did what was expected of any employee. He reported the event to university authorities. Sandusky was their employee, not Paterno's. And if Paterno had called the police, he would have been acting as if were the head authority of the university or the head of human resources, leaving them out of the equation. In the end unless the event was immediately life threatening, it was the university's responsibility to act in conjunction with its legal team, allowing them to walk through the swamp of political correctness. Paterno did his job in reporting the incident for them to investigate.

So Paterno, as an employee, in the end left it to his bosses to deal with the issue. If Paterno was a teacher and had seen the encounter in a university bathroom, he would not have called the police but immediately informed those in control. To do otherwise in a non-life-threatening event could have crushed his career.

Paterno wasn't protecting the school. He was following procedure. If the school did nothing, then he could have hired an attorney and had the attorney advise the school that Paterno would have to call the police if nothing was done.

But in a politically correct world, would Paterno have won even with an attorney by his side? Keep in mind what happened in Kansas, which had the backing of the Kansas state attorney general. Yet in the end the state's attorney general lost!

Yes, the adult was younger but had been told to stop. The ACLU in its brief had also argued that if the 14-year old could give consent to sex with the adult there would have been no charges. So you can see the mentality of the ACLU as it represented the gay advocates of organizations such as GLAAD, maybe assisting at Penn State if Sandusky had said he was gay.

Let's flip the coin and say Sandusky was gay. Paterno, for reporting the event as required by the university yet staying silent to not judge, could have instead been a hero to the gay community, the progressive liberal university system, and the national liberal media.

Paterno was not a victim of protecting someone on his staff. He was a victim of not knowing where the benchmark for rules was anymore. Was Sandusky a pedophile or was he hiding he was gay? The difference in the way today's American society would have handled it would have been night and day. In fact, we don't even know if Sandusky was gay, maybe not wanting to admit it under any circumstances, thinking of the traditional family background he may have come from.

In a world where an evil politically-driven greedy governor is seen as an angel, appointed by a Marxist agenda-driven president to lead America's socialist health system with a kiss, what could any little person do working in a university environment driven by political correctness or corrective speech?

Have Americans already forgotten that it was the prestigious Princeton University in 1999 that hired Professor Peter Singer, who believed in sex with animals to teach Princeton's students? It was also Singer who believed that if a child was born abnormal, the parents should be allowed time to see if they wanted to keep it or dispose of it. What is the surprise? This is no longer the country of God Bless America or Sea to Shining Sea. That America no longer exists, as Dorothy would quickly find out if she landed in Kansas today with Toto.

Yet I guess at the same time nothing has really changed since Shakespeare, who observed that a rose by any other name is still a rose. But in today's America one rose would be put in jail while the other would lead diversity training.

While FOX News likes to lay claim to the no spin zone, the no spin zone expected Paterno to override Penn State University, when Paterno had done all he could other than simply quit in protest. Maybe he should have said more, but we don't live in the age anymore when Paterno's value system was being formed, a time when the National Education System (NEA) was concerned about children and their learning, not about union power using the Marxist fist as an icon.

Instead we live in an age when being gay can change the rules of sex with children, as NAMBLA's ideology becomes more and more acceptable to the society for consensual sex down to ten-years old. It is the same age where the leader of the NEA at its national convention in 2009 referred to conservative organizations that Paterno might have belonged to as bastards.

So say goodbye to Oz and the hope of its Yellow Brick Road.


Revealed: What Penn State wouldn't allow Paterno to read

"Let me begin by offering Sue and my prayers for all of the people impacted by these events. I know it is small comfort given the circumstances. I also understand that there are a lot of questions regarding the events involving former assistant coach Jerry Sandusky, Tim Curley and Gary Schultz. However, because of the status of these ongoing legal matters, I will not speculate or answer questions about the charges or the people involved beyond this brief statement.

"... I know that there are many other questions that people want to ask, but I ask that we all be patient and give the judicial process time to do its deliberate work. Finding the truth is what will benefit the victims most of all, and that is who we should all keep in mind as we deal with this tragedy." . . . Read More

Paterno Family Calls Freeh Report A 'Rush To Judgment' Of The Late Joe Paterno . . . Read More


And it goes on . . . happening to the Boy Scouts?

The following comment was sent to the Huffington post on the above article on February 20, 2012. However, currently there is no proof it was ever accepted.

"Our movement today stresses the liberation and empowerment of young people. Instead of pedagogy, democracy. Rather than a Greek love mentor-relationship, the companionship of independent and autonomous individuals. In place of male supremacy, a vision of sexual, economic, and political liberation for all. Freedom is indivisible. The liberation of children, women, boy-lovers, and homosexuals in general, can occur only as complementary facets of the same dream."

Pederasty & Homosexuality, 2003 (In case page has been removed, click here.)

Reading the above, are HuffingtonPost/AOL editors using only the word pedophile in the story to say a pedophile by any other name doesn’t exist?

I believe that Penn State's late Joe Paterno understood this double standard, damned if he reported it and damned if he didn't.  Could Paterno's friend and coach been gay instead of straight, not wanting to admit it?  Paterno was smart to avoid controversy where lines once clear became blurred.  Paterno turned it over to the university to call the shot, knowing it was their employee.  He tried to keep it from ruining his hard-fought career.  But it did anyway.

In this other light Paterno's silence would have made him a hero in the progressive world, the university instead getting sensitivity training.  The Scouts may be dealing with the same, not wanting to tread in footsteps.  We’ll soon know.

Too many forget Plato’s warning 2,400 years ago that no successful democracy could ever survive, period!  With Justice Ginsburg’s recent comment in Egypt, it looks like she thinks that, too. 



Comment to the New York Times after its full blown coverage of the June 2012 Sandusky Trial

1. So where was the New York Times for Barbara Curley and all the national attention for this mother who was trying to get NAMBLA to pay up for its assistance in supplying online materials to the NAMBLA members that murdered her ten-year old son, Jeffrey?

2. And where was the heroic New York Times in helping to bring justice for the death of Jesse Dirkhising, a 13-year old sodomized, tortured, and murdered by two adult gay men? The local police reported that the only national media interested in the case was FOX News, which had shown up at the trial for Jesse's gay murderers while the New York Times presses were found running silent and deep.

3. And where was the New York Time for Barbara Curley, suing NAMBLA in 1999 while also having to go up against the ACLU, which was instead defending NAMBLA's Web site against the mother as . . . wait for it . . . freedom of speech.

Seven years later I believe Mrs. Curley never got a dime, even though the court ruled in her favor. Yet not a peep in all those years for little old Mrs. Curley wanting justice for her son's murder in 1998 from the New York Times that ran up to nine years into 2007. Today her son would have been 24 years old. Just thought to mention it.

4. And what of the Newark Star Ledger just across the river from the Times not printing ANY stories on Jesse's death while it claimed it had, compared to 44 stories for Matthew Shepard around the same time period? Hmm.

And the ONE article the Ledger did print in 2000, calling it a story on Jesse and following the lead of the New York Times? It was not a news story but a PR release from GLAAD, writing that those who complained about the mainstream media passing on the Dirkhising murder were . . . wait for it again . . . homophobic!"

So in the end the results of the proof of agendas by our liberal media are in. It's not what, but who, when getting out the big stories that are really not about children but instead who are involved; a football coach OR members of a gay organization that is STILL happy to go under the name of North American Man / Boy Love Association (NAMBLA)?

Let's remember again which one got the headline and which one didn't, giving honor to America's corrupt mainstream media, represented by a New York Times columnist who said it best, "It ain't news until we say it is."

Therefore, one should be able to ask a simple question: What if Sandusky was a member of NAMBLA?

In other words, what if he was gay since GLAAD never distanced its gay membership from those who murdered 13-year old Jesse Dirkhising? And if it was true Sandusky was gay but didn't want to admit it, then what would the press have written, that Paterno and his university were homophobic for getting involved with gay relationships between gay men and gay boys, remembering what GLAAD had written in a press release to the Newark Star ledger 12 years ago about Dirkhising?"

Sandusky got his day in court with proper media headlines from coast to coast. Yet that same media went silent for the "murders" of little boys, that of Jeffrey Curley and Jesse Dirkhising, who were murdered instead by gays.

There is shame in America today. But it goes far beyond just Pennsylvania or Penn State University.

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